Why Is Submission Equated With Femininity?

This episode is push back against those within the femininity movement who promote a submissive woman as the ideal woman. Olivia and Raven talk about what’s flawed about equating submission with femininity, how this idea contributes to misogyny, and devaluing women by teaching them to base their value on what they can do for a man.

Discussion Summary:

00:33: We’re talking about why submission is associated with femininity.

1:25: Being a submissive woman is a one-dimensional view of femininity, qualities thought of as feminine, and whether or not there’s a standard definition of feminine.

08:46: Promoting the idea that the ideal woman is a submissive woman, and devaluing women by telling them their value is based on what they can do for a man.

11:15: The view that an essential part of womanhood is being a mother or having the ability to reproduce, arguing that people with certain anatomy should or shouldn’t behave in certain ways, and how these views contribute to misogyny.

15:44: Viewing strong-willed women negatively, and issues with saying women ought to allow their man to lead.

19:35: The meaning of providing has changed since women have increased independence, and what providing can mean outside of protection and financial support.

25:50: Exploring what people mean when they say there’s power in submission, leadership in servitude, and the problem with using this language regarding a relationship.

30:37: Telling women to be submissive is telling them to work against their own interests, and male entitlement in teaching women to be submissive.

36:43: The difference between trusting and submitting, how trust is encouraged in women, but not in men, and men aren’t expected to sacrifice their humanity as women are.

40:13: Why some men view spending time with their partner as a sacrifice.

44:56: Outro.

 

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Music credits: Opening: Goestories - Noir Et Blanc Vie

Closing: First Class - DJ Williams